Model comparison
Grok 4.1 vs Qwen3.8 Max
Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 41.5 on the Noometry Index.
Last verified . 18 shared benchmarks.
Alibaba (Qwen)Summary
- They share 18 benchmarks with published results for both. Grok 4.1 scores higher in 0 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 9 categories; 9 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
- The widest gap is in math, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 73.2 to 38.9.
Side by side
| Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max | |
|---|---|---|
| Provider | xAI | Alibaba (Qwen) |
| Noometry Index | 41.5 | 56.8 |
| Released | 2025-11-17 | 2026-08-02 |
| Weights | Proprietary | Proprietary |
| Context window | — | 1M |
| Max output | — | 131K |
| Input $ / M tokens | — | $2 |
| Output $ / M tokens | — | $6 |
| Results tracked | 19 | 39 |
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Category by category
Coding Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 33.7 (#253), Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena WebDev | 1214 | 1674 |
| LMArena Coding | 1445 | 1502 |
| DeepSWE | — | 57.5% |
| FrontierSWE | — | 17.8% |
| SciCode | — | 53.2% |
Agentic & Tool Use Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 34.1 (#49), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| APEX-Agents | — | 63.3% |
| τ²-bench Banking | — | 55.1% |
| Cybench | 39% | — |
| GDP.pdf | — | 23.2% |
Reasoning Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 29.5 (#91), Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Hard Prompts | 1435 | 1496 |
| NYT Connections (extended) | — | 88.3% |
| CritPt | — | 20% |
| Chess Puzzles | — | 40% |
| Mystery Game Puzzles | — | 38% |
| DTBench | — | 92% |
| LMCA | — | 46.2% |
| Epoch Capabilities Index | — | 156.41 |
Math Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 38.9 (#120), Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Math | 1422 | 1499 |
| FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3) | — | 74.7% |
| FrontierMath Tier 4 | — | 46.3% |
| OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025 | — | 100% |
| ProofBench | — | 58% |
Knowledge Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 39.5 (#133), Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Expert | 1417 | 1507 |
| GPQA Diamond | — | 92.7% |
| SimpleQA Verified | — | 47.3% |
Multimodal Not comparable
Grok 4.1: —, Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Vision | — | 1314 |
| Furniture Assembly | — | 20% |
Multilingual Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 53.4 (#68), Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Non-English | 1425 | 1472 |
| LMArena Chinese | 1465 | 1538 |
| LMArena French | 1448 | 1503 |
| LMArena German | 1446 | 1483 |
| LMArena Japanese | 1397 | 1467 |
| LMArena Korean | 1407 | 1461 |
| LMArena Russian | 1434 | 1481 |
| LMArena Spanish | 1438 | 1492 |
Instruction Following Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 73.8 (#111), Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Instruction Following | 1400 | 1479 |
Long Context Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 43.2 (#100), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Longer Query | 1416 | 1489 |
Writing & Preference Qwen3.8 Max leads
Grok 4.1: 62.4 (#75), Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)
| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | 1437 | 1483 |
| LMArena Creative Writing | 1411 | 1479 |
| LMArena Multi-Turn | 1437 | 1489 |
Frequently asked questions
Is Grok 4.1 better than Qwen3.8 Max?
Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 41.5 on the Noometry Index.
Is Grok 4.1 or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?
Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 33.7 in the Noometry coding category.
How many benchmarks do Grok 4.1 and Qwen3.8 Max share?
18 benchmarks have published results for both models. Grok 4.1 has 19 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.