Noometry

Model comparison

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct vs Qwen3.8 Max

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 27.9 on the Noometry Index.

Last verified . 18 shared benchmarks.

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct Microsoft

27.9

Rank #328 Confirmed

Qwen3.8 Max Alibaba (Qwen)

56.8

Rank #22 Confirmed

Summary

  • They share 18 benchmarks with published results for both. Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct scores higher in 0 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 8 categories; 8 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
  • The widest gap is in math, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 73.2 to 26.6.
  • The biggest single-benchmark swing is Chess Puzzles: 0% for Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct and 40% for Qwen3.8 Max.
  • Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct has downloadable open weights; the other is API-only.

Side by side

Phi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
ProviderMicrosoftAlibaba (Qwen)
Noometry Index27.956.8
Released2024-04-232026-08-02
WeightsOpenProprietary
Context window—1M
Max output—131K
Input $ / M tokens—$2
Output $ / M tokens—$6
Results tracked3539

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Category by category

Coding Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 26.6 (#323), Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Coding10931502
DeepSWE—57.5%
LMArena WebDev—1674
FrontierSWE—17.8%
SciCode—53.2%
LiveBench Coding15.5%—
HumanEval+59.1%—
MBPP+54.2%—

Agentic & Tool Use Not comparable

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: —, Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
APEX-Agents—63.3%
τ²-bench Banking—55.1%
GDP.pdf—23.2%

Reasoning Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 14.1 (#328), Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
Chess Puzzles0%40%
LMArena Hard Prompts10721496
NYT Connections (extended)—88.3%
CritPt—20%
LiveBench Reasoning26.8%—
Mystery Game Puzzles—38%
DTBench—92%
LiveBench Data Analysis34.7%—
LMCA—46.2%
Adversarial NLI52.8%—
BIG-Bench Hard71.7%—
Epoch Capabilities Index—156.41
HellaSwag76.7%—
LiveBench22.4%—
WinoGrande70.8%—

Math Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 26.6 (#257), Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Math11111499
FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3)—74.7%
FrontierMath Tier 4—46.3%
OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025—100%
ProofBench—58%
LiveBench Math15.7%—

Knowledge Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 28.5 (#246), Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Expert10451507
GPQA Diamond—92.7%
SimpleQA Verified—47.3%
ARC (AI2) Challenge84.9%—
MMLU68.8%—
OpenBookQA88%—
TriviaQA64%—

Multimodal Not comparable

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: —, Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Vision—1314
Furniture Assembly—20%

Multilingual Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 26.3 (#280), Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Non-English10211472
LMArena Chinese10211538
LMArena French10761503
LMArena German10441483
LMArena Japanese9351467
LMArena Korean9051461
LMArena Russian10221481
LMArena Spanish10851492

Instruction Following Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 47.7 (#303), Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Instruction Following10531479
LiveBench Instruction Following39.1%—

Long Context Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 31.7 (#276), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Longer Query10441489

Writing & Preference Qwen3.8 Max leads

Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct: 27.6 (#300), Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)

BenchmarkPhi 3 Mini 4k InstructQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Text10731483
LMArena Creative Writing10371479
LMArena Multi-Turn10181489
LiveBench Language9.2%—

Frequently asked questions

Is Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 27.9 on the Noometry Index.

Is Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 26.6 in the Noometry coding category.

How many benchmarks do Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct and Qwen3.8 Max share?

18 benchmarks have published results for both models. Phi 3 Mini 4k Instruct has 35 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.

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