Noometry

Model comparison

Llama 3-70B vs Qwen3.8 Max

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 28.8 on the Noometry Index.

Last verified . 21 shared benchmarks.

Llama 3-70B Meta

28.8

Rank #323 Confirmed

Qwen3.8 Max Alibaba (Qwen)

56.8

Rank #22 Confirmed

Summary

  • They share 21 benchmarks with published results for both. Llama 3-70B scores higher in 0 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 9 categories; 9 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
  • The widest gap is in math, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 73.2 to 12.8.
  • The biggest single-benchmark swing is OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025: 4.3% for Llama 3-70B and 100% for Qwen3.8 Max.
  • Llama 3-70B has downloadable open weights; the other is API-only.

Side by side

Llama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
ProviderMetaAlibaba (Qwen)
Noometry Index28.856.8
Released2024-04-182026-08-02
WeightsOpenProprietary
Context window—1M
Max output—131K
Input $ / M tokens—$2
Output $ / M tokens—$6
Results tracked3139

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Category by category

Coding Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 35.8 (#218), Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Coding12061502
DeepSWE—57.5%
LMArena WebDev—1674
FrontierSWE—17.8%
SciCode—53.2%
BigCodeBench Instruct43.6%—
BigCodeBench Complete54.5%—
HumanEval+72%—
MBPP+69%—

Agentic & Tool Use Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 21.1 (#139), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
APEX-Agents—63.3%
τ²-bench Banking—55.1%
Cybench5%—
GDP.pdf—23.2%

Reasoning Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 18.0 (#288), Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Hard Prompts11951496
DTBench54.2%92%
Epoch Capabilities Index122.93156.41
Kagi LLM Benchmark35.1%—
NYT Connections (extended)—88.3%
CritPt—20%
Chess Puzzles—40%
Mystery Game Puzzles—38%
LMCA—46.2%
ForecastBench57.1—
WinoGrande83.5%—

Math Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 12.8 (#305), Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
OTIS Mock AIME 2024-20254.3%100%
LMArena Math12181499
FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3)—74.7%
FrontierMath Tier 4—46.3%
ProofBench—58%
MATH Level 522.6%—

Knowledge Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 20.8 (#277), Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
GPQA Diamond40.6%92.7%
LMArena Expert11491507
SimpleQA Verified—47.3%
MMLU79.3%—

Multimodal Not comparable

Llama 3-70B: —, Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Vision—1314
Furniture Assembly—20%

Multilingual Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 33.6 (#251), Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Non-English11421472
LMArena Chinese11141538
LMArena French12321503
LMArena German11691483
LMArena Japanese10171467
LMArena Korean10171461
LMArena Russian11591481
LMArena Spanish12411492

Instruction Following Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 62.5 (#238), Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Instruction Following11941479

Long Context Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 35.6 (#240), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Longer Query11741489

Writing & Preference Qwen3.8 Max leads

Llama 3-70B: 42.8 (#231), Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)

BenchmarkLlama 3-70BQwen3.8 Max
LMArena Text12211483
LMArena Creative Writing12101479
LMArena Multi-Turn12231489

Frequently asked questions

Is Llama 3-70B better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 28.8 on the Noometry Index.

Is Llama 3-70B or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 35.8 in the Noometry coding category.

How many benchmarks do Llama 3-70B and Qwen3.8 Max share?

21 benchmarks have published results for both models. Llama 3-70B has 31 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.

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